Re: Real life scenario - requirements (local addressing)

[Kurt Erik Lindqvist <kurtis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Why do this example give me the feeling that we are arguing over 
sacrificing the functionality for the majority for a few special cases. 
The real problem is a long-term scalable private address solution. 
There are other WG(s) looking at that.

- - kurtis -

On torsdag, aug 7, 2003, at 03:54 Europe/Stockholm, Andrew White wrote:

> A 'real life' deployment scenario.
>
> (a) I set up a local network.  I currently have no ISP, but I want my
> network to 'just work' out of the box.  This network consists of 
> (initially)
> three routers, plus other infrastructure.
>
> (b) Sometime later I decide I want internet connectivity, so I connect 
> to an
> ISP.  I add my ISP provided address to my network in addition to the
> address/es that are there already.  For argument's sake, let's say the 
> ISP
> doesn't have IPv6 capability, so I use a 6to4 address.
>
> I do not want my internal addressing exposed outside the network, so I
> filter my addresses.  I do use the ISPs addresses for external 
> connectivity.
>
> (c+d) Meanwhile, my friend has done the same thing, except that his 
> ISP DOES
> offer IPv6, so he has a 'real' IPv6 address.
>
> (e) We connect our two local networks together (either by VPN tunnel 
> or a
> wireless link - doesn't matter).  We can now send local traffic to each
> other, and out either ISP.
>
> (f) Sometime later I disconnect my ISP, and we use just his ISP.
>
> (g) Sometime later I disconnect my network from his.
>
> (h) Sometime later I register with a new ISP, and get a new IPv6 
> prefix.
>
>
> Salient points:
>
> (1) At points (a), (c) and (g) we have networks that are standalone 
> and have
> no connection to an ISP or the global internet.  Further, the networks 
> in
> (a) and (c) have never had such a connection.  The users don't want to 
> have
> to register to get an address that works.
>
> (2) In (b), the external (6to4) prefix is unstable.  Many ISPs 
> allocate a
> temporary IPv4 internet address, and change these frequently.
>
> (3) The set of global prefixes valid for the network changes over time.
>   (a) None
>   (b) #1 (my 6to4)
>   (e) #1 and #2 (friend's v6)
>   (f) #2
>   (g) None
>   (h) #3 (my new v6)
>
> (4) The only 'reliable' address that the hosts in my network have is 
> the
> local one they started with.
>
> This example is quite similar to Tony's research ship example, with the
> possible caveat that a research ship might be big and organised enough 
> to
> register with an ISP to get an address space plus connectivity they 
> never
> intend to use.
>
>
> Consequences:
>
> - I need some form of local addressing that is not dependent on anyone 
> or
> anything connected to the global internet.
>
> - I need this local addressing unique enough that I can safely join my
> network and my friend's network together and allow them to swap 
> prefixes.
>
> - I want hosts in my network to prefer my local address scheme when 
> talking
> to other hosts in my network.  I want hosts in my network to prefer 
> one of
> the local schemes when talking to hosts in my friend's network (since I
> don't want the packets to leave 'our' network).  I want hosts in my 
> network
> to prefer global addresses when talking externally.
>
> - I want my local addresses filtered at appropriate borders, preferably
> without having to set it up myself.
>
> - The ISPs probably want my local addresses filtered too.
>
>
> Looks suspiciously like the filtered local address proposal, doesn't 
> it?
>
> -- 
> Andrew White
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